Notices by Strypey (strypey)

@dredmorbius de nada :) I really enjoyed this talk #YochaiBenkler gave about "#OpenSource Economic":
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=NgYE75gkzkM

@RandomDamage
> most of the crackdown was on groups that should have never been allowed to form to begin with.

I find that sentiment profoundly totalitarian. If you like the idea of centralized authorities being able to have total control over what groups people are able to form and what they're allowed to say (at least publicly), come check out China. You'll love it.
@Wolf480pl

@Maltimore I understand. #Wire has stopped supporting 32-bit GNU/Linux (because of its desktop app's dependency on #Electron) but I don't really want to have to move all the folks I got to start using it. But this, right here, is precisely why it's essential to be able to recommend decentralized apps that don't lock you and your contacts into a single vendor (#LikeIn not #LockIn). #OWS have said #Signal will never be that, so we need to be scanning the horizon for future options.
@rysiek

@rysiek
> I need Signal for work.

Fair enough, but that's no reason to encourage people to do unpaid work for them. Why support #SailFish anyway? Hardly anyone uses it and #Jolla refuse to release all the source code for their UI under free licenses.

> unless Signal really fscks up big time.

Did you read OP of the first link I posted?

@rysiek
> I am more interested in Briar

Speaking of full #P2P, have you looked at #Jami (formerly #Ring)? I've successfully made one-to-one voice calls on it, and I believe they're currently working on group calls. Not great for delayed delivery of text messages yet though.

@alexl I don't think we're going to agree on this, especially if all you do is repeat the same generalizations over and over again. Thanks for dropping by :)
@bob

Anyone got any thoughts on ways to structure the research watchlists for fediverse.party? I want to make them as easy to understand and to update/ extend as possible:
https://gitlab.com/fediverse/fediverse.gitlab.io/issues/37

@gcupc yeah, it's pretty much just a #Flattr 1.0 clone. I don't see why they can't just chuck their source code on a public repo though and chuck an #AGPL license on it. The hardest work in running a site like that is the payment system (which you can't clone just by standing up an instance of the code on a server) and the artwork (which I'd guess is protected by trademark law).

@rysiek hasn't #Signal demanded people not connect third-party clients to their servers? In fact, any binaries not distributed by them (they refuse to let #FDroid distribute their app). These are only two of many reasons not to support Signal with your unpaid time:
https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779

I'd recommend working on a native #SailFish client for #Wire instead. They are a) already close to feature parity with Signal b) actively working towards server>server federation:
https://github.com/wireapp/wire-server/issues/631

@gcupc do you know if source code is available for #KoFi under a free license? I've never been able to find any.

@bob
> lobbying giant bureaucracies is seriously difficult and requires actual Capital

It only requires large pools of capital if you don't have genuine grassroots support you can mobilize (volunteers, crowdfunding etc). Using existing decentralized comms and documentation tools to organize against centralized power (eg regulatory capture by tech corporations) is a great way to a) eat our own dogfood and identify pain points, and b) improve the tools and increase their #NetworkEffect
@alexl

As a specific example, there's a fascinating discussion going on in the #PrivacyTools.io GH issues about to what degree #PTIO ought to engage with the #DataFarms. I've dealt with the same strategic questions many times in other projects like #CC and the #NZ #PirateParty. We want to model best practice (use #FreeCode, federated systems etc) but there's no point preaching to the choir. The people we need to reach are the ones most engaged with the existing, centralized systems. (2/2)
@bob @alexl

@bob
> I am sympathetic towards the "Oh god, more centralized garbage. Can't we push this entire thing into the ocean?" approach.

Yeah me too ;) But sadly, after more than 20 years of trying, the answer appears to be "no". We have to engage with the existing hubs of power, even if only as a holding action to stop them being used to concentrate even more power, while we work on building out decentralized replacements. (1/2)
@alexl

@dazinism so does the #Disroot hub federate using any protocols other than #Zot?
@mike_hales @neil @Matt_Noyes

Has anyone tried #PinBoard?
https://pinboard.in/@dazinism@social.coop @Matt_Noyes @mike_hales @neil @GuerillaOntologist

@alexl don't get me wrong, I'm no uncritical fan of the #EU. There are many legitimate criticisms of its current "neoliberal" shape. But it's a #federation, it's taken that shape because it's member governments were and are still mired in "neoliberalist" assumptions. That doesn't mean important #PublicInterest threat fires can't be put out at EU level, and fighting them there avoids from having to fight the same fires over and over in multiple countries.
@bob

@alexl
> There is no point in fighting for (digital) rights in the EU

This is measurably wrong. The #GDPR is already resulting in practical changes in the use of user data by commercial entites, not only in the EU, but across the whole internet. There are rules about #DataPortability that haven't even been tested yet. If user protection rules that were similar (or stronger) were passed in other jurisdictions, or even better in an international treaty, that would be a huge win for users.
@bob

@jalcine
> requiring social software to be released in a permissive licensing

OK, so now you have an actionable goal. So how do we convince law-makers to take that action? What do they need to understand and how can we communicate it?
model.@alexl @bob

@lwflouisa those do exist, and there are greens who are conservationists and tend towards a principled conservative morality too. But most greens I know are environmentalists who skew somewhere from liberal to radical left.

@stman despite using network language in a somewhat metaphorical way, I'm talking about human organizational structures. Whether they can be (or ought to be) represented in software is a separate question, although an intriguing one. Are you familiar with #SSB (Secure #Scuttlebutt)? It's independent of much of the current network architecture (using the net only as a relay when it's available) and has some intriguing systems for mapping digital identities to warm bodies.
https://librelounge.org/episodes/episode-14-secure-scuttlebutt-with-joey-hess.html