Notices by Strypey (was at Quitter.se) (strypey)

Mollly de Blanc, campaigns manager at the #FSF, gave a fascinating talk about the division of labour in the #SoftwareFreedom communities:
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=6NDB2VFYlfg

@xmpp @danyspin97 ok, but what do all these statistics prove? That Matrix is a new protocol, existing for just short of 4 years, while XMPP has had nearly 20 years to improve server implementations and build user numbers? The more relevant stats to compare would be the first 4 years of Matrix to the four years of Jabber.

@xmpp @danyspin97
> Web clients can not have secure e2e encryption

Really? Why's that?

@bleakgrey have you looked at the server>client aspects of the #ActivityPub spec? The idea is that if you support that, you can support any app that federates with AP, although for some reason Mastodon and Pleroma have decided to use a bespoke variant of server>client AP @Gargron @lain

@lightweight I have access to #NextCloud via #Disroot, but I've have trouble integrating it with my desktop. Mind you, I just upgraded to Trisquel 8 (based off Ubuntu 16.06), so that might help when I get time to play with it all again.

@bhaugen @neil @KevinMarks @cwebber I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the IndieWeb approach is critical of packaging nuts and bolts protocols into "standards" like AP. They would rather educate people about the underlying protocols, and encourage the simplest possible implementations, so more people might use them. This appeals to the withering remains of the punk rocker in me, but some people don't want to play noisy guitar or crashy drums, they just want to listen to it and dance ;)

@cjd @cwebber @neil @bhaugen @KevinMarks I think it's a phenomenon we're all aware of, although there are different opinions about the ideal solution. Some devs still think the solution is for everyone to become a dev (and grow their own veges, and knit their own cardis, and ... ;) Thanks for the reading suggestion, any idea where I can get a copy?

@noorul that's right, but a dev replied to me here saying that offline message delivery is on their roadmap.

@distel @artsyhonker fair point. Just because it's not visible doesn't mean it's not there in some less visible form. But in the case of China, I think it has to do with policies that stop people flooding into cities faster than they can build housing, although at a major cost to people's freedom of movement within the country. In the case of HK, I'm told it has to do with very progressive #SocialHousing policies built into their building regulations.

Hi @nickylodeon just got your email from a few months back. Sorry I missed it at the time! Feel free to follow me anytime you change accounts, I always try to follow back unless it seems like there's a good reason not to (eg language I don't speak, mindless shitposting ;)

@cwebber @neil @bhaugen @KevinMarks yeah, with all due respect to the IndieWeb folks, it kind of reminds me of those people who are super passionate about growing their own organic veges, or knitting cardigans, or restoring old cars, and don't seem to grasp that this is much harder and less appealing for other people than it is for them. Also that for some people, it's as achievable as performing your own brain surgery.

@neil @bhaugen @KevinMarks @cwebber I could be wrong, but the indie.web always struck me as a very 'by developers, for developers' approach. Everything I've read about it, including all the stuff on their site, seems to be aimed at people who understand protocols and how to implement them.

@artsyhonker @distel Do you buy 'The Big Issue'? In the UK, that's a great way to support those denied homes, while reading their voices, and keeping informed about the politics around homelessness. I've seen people sleeping rough in many countries, including Aotearoa, where I come from. I have to say it doesn't seem to be as bad in China as it does in Aotearoa or the UK (TBH I haven't travelled widely in China yet), and I don't remember seeing any in Hong Kong.

So what if we had a website that visualized any given software package as a #SoftwareBurger, showing the stack of files and dependencies that package is made of as the layers of ingredients? Different kinds of ingredients could different colours, so that files created for that burger were one colour, and external dependencies were a different colour. Clicking on any dependency layer takes you to the burger for that package, and so on. Burgers all the way down to the nuts and bolts.

Announcing a new #disintermedia project idea; #SoftwareBurger. There's an old saying that you don't want to see how the burger (or the sausage) is made. But that's what #PeerProduction is all about! Yet, because #FreeCode burgers are often made out of other free code burgers, or used in other free code burgers, and sometimes even used in proprietary burgers, it can be very confusing for people new to the field to understand how all the different burgers fit together.

New #disintermedia blog post on 'Sowing the Seeds of Platform Cooperatives in Hong Kong':
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2018/09/23/disintermedia-sowing-the-seeds-of-platform-cooperatives-in-hong-kong/

TL;DR I'm attending the #PlatformCooperativism conference there this week, and (hopefully) the two day hackathon beforehand.

@msh @jcbrand @pho4cexa For example, China was never colonized by European powers to the extent that Venezuela and particularly Cuba were. Another example, Venezuela's current system began with an elected government and popular constitutional reform, while China's began with an armed revolutionary uprising and seizure of power, and Cuba's began with a guerrilla revolution loosely supported by the population in order to oust an unpopular capitalist dictator.

@msh @jcbrand @pho4cexa I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure how useful these generalizations are anymore. China, Cuba, and Venezuela have very different systems, that emerged from very different histories, with very different sets of relations with 18th/19th C colonialism, and 20th C corporate globalization.

@bleakgrey hmm. I'm not sure what that is, and it definitely doesn't sound like a smooth #UX for beginners ;) I'll put a note to that effect on the watchlist

@js technical question; does #Jingle work a bit like #WebRTC? What I mean is, does the server using Jingle help the two clients handshake, then leave them to send voice/ video packets directly to each other?