Notices tagged with tox

@hambibleibt the biggest problem with #Tox from a #UX POV is the fragmentation across OS platforms. Apps for some OS have group chat, while others don't. Anyone could develop an app compatible with the protocol set #Jami uses, but the dev team has an app for each major OS, and features roll out across all of them at the same time. Jami also seems to progress steadily, while Tox dev seems to have been in hibernation for some time.

@rek2 you left out #Jami, which has a much more consistent #UX across platforms than #Tox (eg none of the Tox mobile apps I've tried support group chat). You also left out #BigBlueButton, which I keep hearing is much less of a resource hog on the server-side than #JitsiMeet, and I can confirm JM is a massive resource hog on the client-side. I haven't used #Discord but I've heard #Riot (#Matrix client) is a pretty good substitute?

@hexmasteen
> I just posted an overview.

Link please?

> one I'm not very familiar with and generally skeptical towards.

For good reason ;) Perhaps Session offers something not possible with non-blockchain chat P2P like #Jami and #Tox apps, or the many existing #blockchain-based social media projects:
https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/blockchain-social-apps

But the burden of proof is definitely on them.

I'm also pretty sceptical of the decision to make #Signal the default SMS app. I'm aware that of the #FreeCode chat apps that support both text and voice/ video, all are either walled gardens (eg Signal, #Wire, #Keybase) or painfully bleeding edge (eg #Riot, #Jami, #Tox, #Delta.chat). But I've discussed the reasons for my mistrust of the Signal and the cult-of-personality around it's founder at length.

@ilpianista
I've found #Jami pretty good for voice chat with 2-3 people. But prettty frustrating for text chat; lots of unpredictable message delay and no group chat (#Tox apps are currently better for P2P text chat in my experience). If and when Jami passes text messages reliably, has group chat, and can do offline delivery (anonymous relaying?), it will be about perfect. It's already head and shoulders above Tox in consistency of the app across OS platforms.
@Jami

@mmin I think there is a variation of #ZookoTriangle here. Out-of-the-box, Riot is decentralized and user-friendly, but not encrypted. Turn on encryption, it's still decentralized, but not user-friendly. Same is true of #Jami, #Tox clients, and every other decentralized chat app I've tested that has encryption out-of-the-box, #UX hell. All the user-friendly systems I've seen that have encryption turned on out-of-the-box are centralized ones like Signal and Wire.
@lnxw48a1

New #Disintermedia blog post; '#VOICE Chat Testing Session #3: #Wire':
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2019/10/29/voice-chat-testing-session-3-wire/

TL;DR Wire group chat works well with 3 users. We also tried to test #Tox, but ran into trouble when it turned out the Android client one of us was using doesn't support group chat.

@LPS if only the #PinePhone had been released 6 months ago and had a Briar client, the movement could be distributing them en masse with Briar preinstalled, plus #Jami for P2P voice calls. Jami has clients for all major OS, but no group text chat (yet). I've found message delivery on Jami too unreliable for text chat, even when both users are online at the same. #Tox is another option but the #UX is inconsistent between clients, and I don't know if the crypto has been audited yet.
@doctorow

@lnxw48a1
> #Tox or #Briar (easy; no contacts will test either, so I have no experiences with them).

I have Briar installed and I'm keen to test. Not sure how to do that without meeting in person to scan each other's QR codes though. The #VOICE group is looking for people for a test of Tox voice conferencing, maybe this Sunday? See:
#voicechat:matrix.org
@deejoe @dielan

Here's a report on our third #VOICE testing session on Satuday, where we intended to test group voice chat on #Tox, but ended up having more success with #Wire:
https://write.as/yt03jv11742w2.md

Our next session is scheduled for Sunday 2 November, starting at 12:00 UTC. We currently coordinate testing at:
#voicechat:matrix.org

@megfault have you looked into other P2P messenger Apps like #Briar, #Jami, and #Tox?
@ckeen

Yet another reason not to use #Zoom's proprietary video conferencing service. They care more about their public image than their users' security, and lie about trying to silence security researchers doing responsible disclosure with hush money:
https://proprivacy.com/privacy-news/dark-side-of-bug-bountys

There are a number of hosted or self-hostable alternatives, including #JitsiMeet, as well as #P2P conferencing apps like #Jami, and protocols like #Tox.

@vascorsd I've been aware of #Tox for a while but haven't tried it, mainly due to governance woes casting doubt on its sustainability, while at the same time Ring (now Jami) joined the #GNU Project and seemed like it had a more secure future. Which platform(s) have you used #Tox clients on? The #Android app #TRIFA says it's "still in heavy development".
@tootbrute

@noorul OK. What's #Tox like for voice calls?
@AmarOk

@kawaiipunk I've been thinking about these for years, like #Serval, #GNU #Jami (formerly #Ring), #Tox, and others. But I struggle to find people to test them with, and when a "secure" chat app only has clients for iOS and Android, I struggle to take them seriously.
@bob @gentoorebel @noorul