Someone is trying to petition #IBM / #Red_Hat to give #CentOS back to community control instead of making it the upstream of Red Hat Enterprise Linux ( #RHEL ).
That will affect some organizations that are using #CentOS as "no-fee #Red_Hat", but the truth is, many orgs have to seek out 3rd party repos because the software included in RH and CentOS is so old. If CentOS Stream is still stable, it might lead to an increase in users.
I'll see about installing it on one of my servers at home soon.
When Caldera bought Santa Cruz Operation and renamed themselves The #SCO Group ... abandoned their Linux distro and started suing Linux vendors, I moved to #Fedora.
@musicman Oh, wow! I remember learning to install #Apache and #PHP from source 20+ years ago. Can't remember whether we actually compiled #MySQL or just extracted a precompiled tarball. On pre-RHEL #Red_Hat Linux and #FreeBSD.
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Was fun, but upgrading could be tricky.
@winniehell I'm not sure what size Mistpark is, but what about #NextCloud, #Loomio, or #JMP? There's also companies like #RedHat, which are technically support contractors not software creators, but they make a lot of upstream contributions to the software they use. Conversely, here's an example of a startup that failed to fund their team using a proprietary model and decided to free their code (although it didn't save their business): http://blog.buckybox.com/2018/07/reduced-service-announcement/
@geniusmusing That one sounds promising. I might try it out soon.
Also, are you aware of any #Red-Hat derivatives that are #SystemD free? Or are such distributions only available in #Debian and #Gentoo families of Linux distros?
@kai That could be it. I came from #Win95 to #SuSE, then #Red_Hat (this was before the #RHEL / #Fedora split), #Caldera OpenLinux, Fedora, #WinXP, #LinuxMint and others. Over the years, whenever I use a #GNOME based system, I'm soon dissatisfied, but #KDE mostly looks and works the way I expect.
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I'm not saying everyone will (or should) like it.
@clacke fair enough, but this brings me back to your original comment, which I think was totally true when I started experimenting with #RedHat and #Mandrake in the early 2000s. But more recently, I've helped newbies install and use #Mint (or #Trisquel if they hardware supports it), and they can do everything they need to do in the GUI. @enkiv2@scolobb
Ich weiß und genau deswegen schreibe ich auch über die Probleme. Allein kann man nicht diese Probleme auffangen: Projekte wie #Hyperbola oder auch #Debian brauchen Spenden und Hilfe. Sonst verwaisen die Pakete und die Vielfalt schränkt sich wieder nur auf Beiträge durch Unternehmen ein. Und genau da betrachte ich beispielsweise #systemd und #Red-Hat ebenfalls kritisch.
Beispiele für #Corporate-Open-Source gibt es derweil wirklich Viele. Aber #Red-Hat übertrifft einmal wieder mit neuen Ankündigungen und natürlich "Alles" unter der vermeintlichen Schirmherrschaft quelloffener Software. Alles nur zum Besten der Gesellschaft und der Community.
Wenn es doch nur so schön und wahr wäre. Ganz ehrlich: Jedem das Seine, aber ich bin längst nicht davon überzeugt. Es sind weit zu viele Projekte, in denen dieses Unternehmen aktiv ist, #systemd inklusive beispielsweise. So funktioniert der Gedanke einer verteilten, freien und quelloffenen Landschaft nicht, wenn sich immer mehr monopolartige Strukturen und Projekte ausbilden, die nur aus singulären Quellen und Ursprüngen kommen. #Meinung #Gedanken
@z428 @hikerus @paulfree14 Ich finde gerade die genannten Distributionen äußerst prekär, aber das wäre jetzt meine persönliche Einstellung. #Canonical gibt nicht sehr oft etwas zurück und #Red-Hat betreibt ebenfalls gerne eine Art von #Corporate-Open-Source. Wie gesagt: Brauchen wir jetzt nicht tiefergehend diskutieren und wäre Teil einer anderen Debatte. ;-)
@charlescodes Thanks for the feedback. Perhaps getting the point more clear: I'm not amused about #systemd because of the immense involvement from only one party / group. In this case it is #Red-Hat! And besides there are more companies doing such a thing. Of course not the way #Red-Hat does. But it's some kind of interesting having also #Microsoft in this with the phrase "We LOVE #Open-Source!".
The answer would be: No you don't. I mean come on: A company having most products just to 100% closed is paraphrasing about "loving" open-source software and projects? Some with #Google, #Facebook and so on. In fact: #Corporate-Open-Source is a description for those ways and most time it's really against the whole idealistic way.