@SlowRain another thing that makes a type into a character is relationships (not just family ones, any kind). There are almost no relationships between any of the characters in #R1, and the few that exist, are crucial to the few moments that work. K2S0's death is more affecting than most of the human characters' deaths, because I can *feel* his sacrifice for his old friend Cassian, and Jyn, who he has come to grudgingly respect despite his initial scepticism of her.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 15-Jun-2018 12:07:44 UTC Strypey -
Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 15-Jun-2018 11:15:57 UTC Strypey @SlowRain Vader doesn't actually do anything in #R1 that moves the story forward in any way. His presence is just pointless #FanService, and it steals the thunder from Krennic, whose status as the primary villain of the story is undermined, by seeing him get pwned by a much scarier villain half way through the film, who then only turns up again at the end, and again, only for fan service.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 04:27:08 UTC Strypey @SlowRain even #DarthVadar is reduced a huffing and puffing Big Bad Wolf in #R1, with none of the gravitas or character depth of his presence in 4-6. #GalenErso dials it in from Planet B. IMHO the only really good character is #OrsonKrennic. I really wish they'd got that guy to play #GeneralHux, and given his character even half of the sophistication and menace of Krennic (or #DrydenVoss from #Solo).
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 03:47:24 UTC Strypey @SlowRain for me, #R1's ending is as bad as its beginning. The characters mostly vanish into a maelstrom of every single piece of tech used in every #StarWars movie ever. It's hard to care when they all die, because it happens so fast, the movie never pauses to mourn them, not even for a beat. The final scene with Vader crashing through rebels to get at Leia's is forced and surplus, we've seen that already at the start of Ep 4. The movie could have had a stronger ending.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 02:02:11 UTC Strypey @SlowRain I actually agree with most of what you say about the Ep 7 characters, and that's what makes them *characters*, not just types ("I'm the pilot!"). Yes Ep 8 mostly failed to build their arcs, I'm hoping JJ can pull the marshmallow out of the fire with Ep 9. But remember, this is a trilogy, characters arcs have to unfold slower. #R1 and #Solo, being self-contained, only have one film to play out entire character arcs. IMHO #Solo achieves that where #R1 fails.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 01:52:43 UTC Strypey @SlowRain
> I think we knew who everyone was, what they were doing, & whyBut that's precisely why they were poor characters. What can you tell me about anyone in #R1 other than what their executive function was in the plot ("I'm the pilot, I'm the pilot!")? It reminded me of an old B movie I saw once whose characters were a cyborg, a kung fu guy etc. They were just types, with no personality, no inner conflict, no growth driven by the events in the story. No arc at all
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 02:30:47 UTC Strypey @SlowRain as for the #R1 plot, the pacing had some serious issues (see rush to final battle as already mentioned). The writers can't help what we already know (from 1-6), but they don't have to give away what few mysteries there could have been. That prologue scene would have been more effective, narratively and emotionally, as a flashback when Jyn sees her father on Eadu. Up to then, she could have been using only her first name, never revealing her parentage to us.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 01:32:59 UTC Strypey @SlowRain you may ask why I've seen #R1 so many times if I though it was so bad. I've seen all the prequels at least that many times too. I re-watch movies the same way I re-listen to music, and I enjoy watching even disappointing movies in genres I like, in company with people who haven't seen them yet.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 01:31:23 UTC Strypey @SlowRain to this day I struggle to remember all the main #R1 characters' names, and I've seen it 3 times (out of curiosity, how many can you name without consulting #IMDB or #Wikipedia?). I've seen #Solo twice, and I can at least tell you the first name of every character that has one (clearly stated in dialogue that is). I cared when Qi'ra was left behind on Correlia. I cared when Val and Rio died. When Has shot Beckett, I felt vindicated an conflicted along with him.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 01:26:44 UTC Strypey @SlowRain agree about 5 too, but I have to say I find it hard to understand how you can describe #R1 this way. For me, R1 had the broad strokes of a solid plot, but totally failed to take the time required for characters development, in their rush to get to the big 'throw in every piece of #StarWars tech we've ever seen into one battle' climax. I didn't care when characters died in that battle. I still didn't know who they were enough to care.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 11-Jun-2018 06:04:20 UTC Strypey @SlowRain @whistlewright @lnxw48a1 maybe there's a fundamental divide here in what people are looking for in #StarWars? Some of us watch for the stories, especially the characters arcs, and some of us watch for the battle scenes, novel use of #FX, and the general visual spectacle. If the latter is what you're after, the prequels and #R1 serve you much better, and #Solo isn't going to be nearly as interesting, since its primarily a character-driven film.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Sunday, 10-Jun-2018 18:29:25 UTC Strypey Today, I paid money to see #Solo: A #StarWars Story. I was really disappointed with both #R1 and #TLJ (see my previous rants here), so I watched a cam rip first, not expecting much. I was blown away. Even watched at the quality of listening to a live concert over AM radio, it was awesome. I convinced my wife and a friend to come watch it on the big screen with me, and we all agree it was the second best - if not the best - of the new Star Wars films.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Jun-2018 20:37:58 UTC Strypey @sullybiker ae, that was one of a *very* long list of things that sucked about #RogueOne. Contrast the rebellion of #R1 and #TLJ with 4-7 (I discussed this in more detail in the rest of the rant)