Notices tagged with bifurcation
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I wouldn't say https://identi.ca/ is "dead", it just is not accepting new members and suffers frequent downtime. Without the #Pump.io firehose, it is difficult to tell how many active users are on the Pump network (though certainly a lot less than in the months after #bifurcation).
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@aab @diogo @dalme @colegota @xrevan86 I agree. We survived network #bifurcation once, we can do it again.
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@dragnucs I disagree. Once your federated network survives one severe #bifurcation (the #Pump.io split), you know it can survive others. The #ActivityPub addition is still somewhere in the process, but I doubt that defederating from the #OStstus part of the network would speed it up.
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I just thought of something: no one in the current #fediverse has seen me in person, though two people who were #lost in the #bifurcation (and Dr Jon Kulp, who left our network more recently) have seen me in person at least once.
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@alpacaherder @clacke It mostly stayed full of cool people until the #bifurcation, when some stayed in the #fediverse, some went to the #pumpiverse, and many were #lost to the #corpocentric networks.
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To be fair, the !StatusNet network that Evan was running became unmanageable -- it cost too much to run, and I think Evan was funding most of it himself (although there were/are a number of paying #StatusNet customers). Evan developed #PumpIO to reduce the number of servers needed to run a federated network, and purposely kept the UI to a minimum to encourage federation. Sadly, that didn't work. Porting identi.ca from StatusNet to PumpIO was intended to introduce people to PumpIO as well as reduce Evan's costs. That partly worked; identi.ca is alive and well as a community, although much reduced from its glory days around 2013. But the #bifurcation did spawn a large number of new StatusNet / !GNUsocial instances, so that was a good thing too. But you're right in that PumpIO never gained widespread traction, the proof of which is in its lack of continued development. In that respect #GNUsocial and !OStatus are more successful than PumpIO
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@clacke True. It hasn't been updated for the post #bifurcation fediverse, where larger character limits are the norm instead of the exception (and where some instances use #Markdown or #Textile to enable formatted posts).
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My explanation of the #bifurcation, whereby half the #fediverse was split off into the pump.io #pumpiverse and unable to communicate with the remaining users. https://nu.federati.net/notice/513186
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@craigmaloney @cwebber @deadsuperhero etc
It's also important to note how committed Evan was to Identi.ca, StatusNet (and the Status.Net service), and finally Pump.io. He kept things going even after there was no revenue, then switched to cheaper-to-operate software and opened a couple of dozen Pump instances and related sites (ofirehose, open farm game, at least one uni-directional bridge site).
I hate many of the effects of the #bifurcation, but I think it helped awaken people to the need to disperse among many instances. That was really needed when almost everyone was clustered on Identica.
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@windigo Thanks for running #fragdev and for taking in #identica refugees during the #bifurcation.
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@musicman I suspect many will be #lost to the #lockiverse, they way many others were during the #bifurcation. (Wondering whether the !lost group was on now-defunct oracle.skilledtests.com.)
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@notnavigium @strypey I have two possible sources for the name: @mk or @jpope. It could have been around the #bifurcation (when #Identica switched to #pump.io, splitting one network into two) or even earlier, around the time of the StatusNet 1.0/1.0.1 upgrade, when identica was offline for multiple days and many of us launched our first self-hosted instances.
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@nds The other side of this is that removing ads from #Identi.ca and other SN sites helped lead to the #bifurcation of one federated network into two incompatible federated networks.
One of the main drivers was the cost of operating Identi.ca with no corresponding revenue.
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@enkerli Yes, there were many users #lost to both the #fediverse and the #pumpiverse when one network split into two. ActivityPub offers some potential to undo some of the #bifurcation's damage.
For example, it may help revitalize the nearly-moribund Pump.io network when GS and Mastodon and Diaspora can all interact seamlessly.
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I would say it partially worked. Identica started with such a huge number of users that I doubt any other instance is even close. When the #bifurcation happened, many people stopped using their early pump.io accounts and went back to ica. But the imbalance can't get worse because no registrations allowed there.
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#lost in the #bifurcation
I'd like to see some of those people return to the fediverse.
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@dawsports When the #bifurcation was announced, I tried to close my accounts on some numbered SN instances. That same "User deletion in progress..." message remained there until the sites were shut down. I never knew why. ( Possibly #database issue? )
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@question Do you have a list of the 421 lost souls at the #bifurcation?
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@kzimmermann When the #bifurcation happened, some people took the Pump road, while others stayed on what became the GNU Social / OStatus road. I've tried to stay connected to both worlds and the people in them. However, there are frequent and long-term (as in weeks or even months long) outages on most public #Pump.IO instances, so I'm not even sure which of my contacts still use it. (Evan's planned turning instances over to others to run could be a partial remedy, but he's been too busy to move forward with that.)
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I don't even remember what they called it before toot.
In other parts of the #fediverse, you may hear it being called post, dent (from i-DENT-ica, which was the main #StatusNet instance before the #bifurcation), quip, or queet.
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