@clacke Yes. That isn't only true of #Discord, by the way. I used to see projects nearly devoid of documentation, but they'd push you to #IRC. And same for #Matrix or #XMPP MUCs.
I use IRC, but if I need info (a config setting, the setup process, etc) some questions recur and should be documented so they don't clog up the channel. Others occur so rarely that only one or two people know a fix. Those especially need to go into the documentation. Not just because of "truck factor", but because even those people can forget if there is a long enough time between the question recurring.
Afterwards, I did a test connection to the #Federati #Murmur / Mumble server. It disconnected once over a ten minute test.
So if I do another #Office_Hours voicechat soon, understand that my connection may be interrupted.
Anyway, I got some great ideas. A has been trying to document #ActivityPub itself (S2S and C2S designs), various implementations (including the Mastodon API that is often used instead of AP_C2S), as well as other #federated communication protocols such as #Matrix and #XMPP. They suggested that "a better Matrix" might be able to be built atop AP.
I used to watch their game streams years ago, but the voice sounded different over Mumble. I'm told that getting a better microphone made the difference.
They note that they provide everything under permissive licenses and then wonder why giant corporations adopt their technology without giving anything back.
Well, that is something that MongoDB and some other no-SQL databases have had to deal with. Their userbase insists on permissive licenses, then the largest and most profitable users refuse to support the organizations that pay the developers. In many cases, the result is some custom non-free license (generally masquerading as “open source” but neither free software nor open source software) meant to extract money out of users who make money using the product.
Personally, I’d rather see #GPLv3 / #AGPLv3 without a “buy a commercial license to avoid responsibilities” plan going into widespread use, but that’s sure to greatly reduce revenues. It probably means paid support is the main funding model.
But anyway, I think that Matrix has done really well for something that is inherently inferior to #XMPP, but has a pretty face and good marketing team.
@lxo I have an #XMPP account, but most of my contacts either don't have accounts or don't log in very often, so it does not get used as often as I would like.
@aab Good to see that @gijs is getting connected. I used to add people I had seen in the #IRC channel (and the connected #XMPP MUC) as contacts, to help extend the network. I should probably get back to that.
(It helps if I spell people's usernames correctly.)
@aab Good to see that @gis@post.hillenius.net is getting connected. I used to add people I had seen in the #IRC channel (and the connected #XMPP MUC) as contacts, to help extend the network. I should probably get back to that.
A #VPN provider that I used shut down without much notice (in fact, the only way I found out was that I visited their site months later, trying to figure out why I hadn't been able to connect).
The #hotel I was using had a local provider that blocked #Fediverse instances (including Mastodon.Social), #Diaspora, #XMPP, #IRC, and a certain mail provider that I still use. They did not block: #Facebook, #Twitter, #GMail, or Outlook / #Hotmail
Because I couldn't connect to the VPN, I discovered how many perfectly normal sites were blocked because they weren't on the top 100 list. I went downstairs and informed the front desk that I would be leaving their establishment because of their blocking.
I received a phone call from their networking vendor, who logged into their router and proxy and turned off filtering on a list of about 25 sites they'd blocked.
But the point is, the hotel and its provider cannot be trusted not to fsck with your data. Always use a VPN.
You can move to #LiberaChat, to #OFTC, to #Rizon, etc. Or use #Matrix or an #XMPP MUC instead of IRC. Just don't "wait and see" and be surprised when your channel is targeted.
Thinking that there might be a reason to add #Funkwhale to the list ... with some restrictions (requires #Federati Networks account, original content only, moderated; possible fundraising may be needed as file storage requirements expand)
Also, already planning to add #XMPP, #Movim, #Mattermost chats, but considering trying out a #Matrix instance (preferably something other than Synapse) to see how well bridging to XMPP MUCs works. I'm sure the Matrix team has never considered a setup where only rooms bridged from $PROTOCOL and possibly also $INSTANCE can be created locally.
@adcock Now that I think about it, a year or two back, I got a bunch of connection / subscription requests from random #XMPP accounts. There was a specific server where more of it came, but I think they just looked for open registration and no active moderation.
I think the #blockwars folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.
I think that #Matrix / #Element competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #USDOJ and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.
(Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #XMPP, while Google Plus was basically #Diaspora with federation stripped out.)
But I don't object to others choosing such end-to-end encrypted messengers over messaging apps such as (for example) #Facebook_Messenger.
I personally use #Wire, #XMPP, #Matrix, and #WickrMe. (I tried #Jami, but it wasn't very usable yet; none of my contacts were willing to try #Tox or #Briar.) I've even considered getting a Google account again so I can use whatever their latest incarnation of messaging is (just because almost everyone I know has a Google account).
It does bother me that Signal and Telegram and most other messaging services are centralized and non-federated.
It seems we haven't learned from the 1990s & early 2000s when some friends had AOL Instant Messenger (AIM), some had MSN Messenger, some had Yahoo Messenger, some had ICQ, and a few had various other walled garden messengers (such as Excite's messenger). If I wanted to talk with all my friends, I needed to have accounts on every possible service. I should be able to communicate with my friends from whatever service I choose to use to whatever services they choose to use and not have to create accounts on every possible service.
But that's a matter of educating our friends and family, not of dogmatically refusing to communicate with them on any service they might use.
This XEP sounds like it would be useful for joining large MUCs (chatrooms), where an unknown participant may be harvesting JIDs for later targeting by SPIM.
Marked "Deferred", which sounds like it wasn't implemented widely enough in the #XMPP universe to generate experience & data to confirm its usefulness / desirability.
I'm looking through some XEPs, looking for one that specifies that all requests sent from non-roster JIDs can be rejected.
(Yes, I use Xabber, not #Conversations, as my #XMPP client on #Android. Every time I try to use Conversations, I have a very strong reaction and end up deleting it. I think the most recent time is permanent. I just can't stand it.)