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Notices by LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net) tagged ring
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In theory, I agree, but in practice, I have used #Ring, the earlier version of #Jami. The experience was so poor that I can no longer get my in-person contacts to try anything that is not #Facebook / #Instagram / #Zoom. And that's without ever trying the #videochat functionality ... we only used text chats and it was still a really poor experience.
I've heard it got better, but of course, none of my in-person contacts will try it again. This also affects apps like #Briar and #Session.
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@lxo Unless the people using #Jami are pretty advanced, they won’t like it. Having to be online at the same time, difficulties trying to use the same ID on multiple devices, those are things that most people will not tolerate.
Maybe they have fixed some issues since I last tried to use it, but it was unpleasant to use during and shortly after the GNU #Ring days.
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@geniusmusing @lxo This is important. #GNU #Jami used to only send when both parties were online simultaneously. If the parties in the conversation are in different timezones, that may not happen often.
Users reasonably want end-to-end encryption (E2EE), but still want some basic usability.
(The experience back in the GNU #Ring days was pretty bad. Even today, none of my contacts will reconsider it.)
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Likewise, I’ve pretty much abandoned #Jami (or #Ring, if you used it previously) because all my contacts dumped it years back when an update forced everyone to re-add their contacts.
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Experience with #Jami's ancestor #Ring tells me that it needs a fairly technical user who is willing to tolerate some annoying deficiencies. My contacts have all dropped it, including one son who is a network engineer.
Be careful about promoting it to people who are not willing to endure those things, or we can chase people away from all non-Facebook communications software.
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I should find my notes about my experiences with #Ring / #Jami and #Matrix. I have not written any notes about #Wire (which I use daily) or about #Tox or #Briar (easy; no contacts will test either, so I have no experiences with them).
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@deavmi You can find both of my #ring accounts as "lnxw37".
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@rw A few family members complain that I can’t see their calendar events, but the biggest annoyance I have with not being a #Facebook user is all the people that say “did you see what cousin so and so just said?” and then stick their phones in my face.
If I wanted to see all that random garbage, I would still have an account.
Yes, but how can we get in touch with you?
Let me count the ways:
* call
* text
* !XMPP
* #Wire
* #Ring / #Jami
* e-mail
* in person
* contact any of my sons, nephews, siblings, my youngest niece, the cousin that lives in TX, or my mom and ask them to forward
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@bobjonkman I found our conversation about #Jami / #Ring. See https://nu.federati.net/conversation/2033439
CC: @davehunt, who was also trying it at that time.
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I think I had a brief text conversation on #Ring / #Jami with @bobjonkman a couple of months back, and that is the only one since November of 2017.
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I think it is time to declare it dead and bury the carcass.
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@bob #Tox was one of four things (Tox, #Ring, #Matrix, #Wire) I tried to get family members to try out a couple of years back. None of them ever did, so I cannot say whether Tox is useful (being that I have never actually used it).
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@davehunt @bobjonkman @mangeurdenuage
I made the mistake of trying to get a group of family members to migrate to #Ring / #Jami about 18 months ago. At the time, there was no presence indicator, so it was "send message, hope the other party is there to receive it; oops, message is hung up trying to send, I guess they aren't online right now".
Then came an update that meant needing to re-request connection with all my contacts, and that was it. A single contact confirmed connection, but I never again successfully sent or received a message*, and they all stopped using it.
* I believe I successfully sent one message to BobJonkman a day or two ago, but he was away, so no answer was received.
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Logged into #Ring / #Jami to add @davehunt and @bobjonkman and see if it has improved since my contacts abandoned it after an update forced contact re-requests.
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@davehunt @bobjonkman I still have it installed under its old name #Ring. I'm not often online, because none of my contacts use it any more, but I'm "lnxw37" there.
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@geniusmusing #Wire is currently not #federated (though the client and possibly the server are now FOSS), but it offers an easy noob-friendly encrypted chat. Out of the ones I’ve tried, this is the one that I’ve been able to get some of my family members to use. (Some of them also used #Ring, but there were some problems with a version upgrade forcing people to re-request connection to their contacts, and none of my contacts made it past that.)
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@silkevicious I use !XMPP, #Wire, and #Matrix ( via the #Riot client ). I formerly tried #Ring (but after an update, I needed to reconnect to all my contacts) and #Tox ( a new ID on each device, so contacts never know how to reach you quickly ).
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@strypey Between November and February. Some change required us all to reconnect as contacts. Reconnecting never completed, so communication over #Ring was no longer possible.
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Currently using #Wire and #Matrix instead.
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@strypey #Ring needs to work on making their software's core features work better. My contacts and I abandoned it because it wasn't good for our uses.
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@strypey #Ring needs to work on making their software's core features work better. My contacts and I abandoned it because it wasn't good for our uses.
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@lukaso666 @dwmatiz I mostly liked #Ring, though I never got to try its audio or video features, until an upgrade on #Android forced me to reconnect to my contacts. Since both sides have to be active at the same time, I gave up after five months of re-requesting connections with family members every time I opened the application.
That's got to be one of the most dissatisfying experiences that users of a "personal communications" program can have.