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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:25:26 UTC Danyl Strype Can't help but think all this 'app addiction' discourse ignores the role capitalism plays in shaping tech http://humanetech.com/problem - ghostDancer and Kuro Sawai like this.
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:26:52 UTC Danyl Strype I mean, nobody seems to be asking why tech started hijacking attention instead of serving users' real needs in he first place (clue: profit) In conversation permalink ghostDancer likes this. -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:28:29 UTC Danyl Strype Could it be because selling users' attention to advertisers is (so far) the only way for venture capitalist to profit from network tech? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:31:29 UTC Danyl Strype What if network platforms were developed by not-for-profts (eg Wikipedia, Mozilla) or coops owned by users/ workers (#OpenCooperativism)? In conversation permalink Kuro Sawai likes this. -
Kevin Marks (kevinmarks@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:59:48 UTC Kevin Marks @strypey particularly annoying that google switched mode from 'we do best when you spend least time on our site' to 'we track everywhere you go and ask you to upload photos of it'
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:07:17 UTC Danyl Strype Experience from before and since VCs discovered the net/ web in the late 90s, suggests profit motivate creates very different design choices In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:11:31 UTC Danyl Strype indeed @kevinmarks I remember when we all switched to Google because a) no ad-based rankings and b) minimal homepage. Ironic, no? In conversation permalink -
Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ (bob@soc.freedombone.net)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:16:01 UTC Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ @strypey It's just that the business model of TV and newspapers moved to the internet, lured by the possibility of targeting. It took them a decade or so to figure out how to do that, but now it's here. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:33:42 UTC Danyl Strype yes, but step away to what @hamishcampbell? Do Harris and co think the #dotcon can simply be reskinned with "humane design". Another con? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:36:24 UTC Danyl Strype @bob I remember fearing a time when ordinary folk could no more imagine setting up a webserver than they could a TV transmitter *sigh* In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:37:29 UTC Danyl Strype @bob one strategy for reversing this is allowing mobile device to be used as servers, a la the #Hubzilla grid/ #NomadicIdentity approach In conversation permalink Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ likes this. -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:38:16 UTC Danyl Strype @bob do you think it's viable to build a mobile app that fulfills all the major functions of a #Hubzilla server? In conversation permalink -
Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ (bob@soc.freedombone.net)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:41:36 UTC Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ @strypey It might be, but there would be the problem of domain names. Something like ZeroNet might be better on phones. And there's also Scuttlebutt, but the mobile app for that is still at an early stage of development. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:43:05 UTC Danyl Strype @bob do #ZeroNet and #Scuttlebutt have the same tolerance for intermittent net connection and nomadic identity? In conversation permalink -
Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ (bob@soc.freedombone.net)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:45:35 UTC Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ @strypey I'm not sure about ZeroNet, but Scuttlebutt is exactly built for intermittent connectivity. Neither of them have nomadic identity. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 11:17:49 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell I agree, but how do we explain the #4opens to people outside the openism world, so history doesn't keep repeating (eg Ello)? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:27:31 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah each of the not-for-profit structures has its own peculiar story, sure, but picking apart my examples misses the broader picture In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:31:25 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah there were gratis platforms (and software and so on) before VC-funded startups became parasites on the value their users create In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:31:25 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah there were gratis platforms (and software and so on) before VC-funded startups became parasites on the value their users create In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:33:05 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah gratis vs. pay-per-view is a false dichotomy, and like the screen addiction discourse, obscure the fact the VCs aren't needed In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:35:11 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah but it's more than that. Why do people still use #Windows when #GNU-Linux is better and gratis? Deeper structures are at play here In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:37:22 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah talk about business models is valid, but it also misses the point that businesses (in the traditional sense) were never required In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:40:35 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah they have succeeded at an economic Man-in-the-Middle attack on the net as a whole by making sure most people don't know that In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:43:16 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah true, but you're speaking from the perspective of what happened (the Man-in-the-Middle), I'm asking *why* it was able to succeed In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:44:59 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah because people (other than me) are stupid is a lazy, cynical answer to any question, and ignores the roles of power, culture etc In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:47:49 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah also, those who really understand the significance of what #Snowden revealed tend to be the same people already using alternatives In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:49:25 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah Snowden didn't tell us anything we haven't known for 20 years, he just gave us confirmation and specific implementation details In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:50:58 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah but there's a difference between knowing what Snowden revealed before vs. after you get enslaved by proprietary/ centralized tools In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:51:46 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah once you're in the golden cage, cognitive dissonance interferes with accepting the revelations and acting on them In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:54:38 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah clearly we disagree on cause and effect, so let's leave that for now, and move on to your question; "what to do next?" In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:56:58 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah although, if we accept the premise that people are lazy and can't be made to care, nothing can be done ... In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:58:47 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah whereas if we start with the premise that economic power is being abused to keep people in data farms, step 1 is empowering people In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:59:31 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah once they know there are other ways to organise the net, they might ask "why bother", but now they're ready to understand Snowden In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:01:27 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah because the Snowden relevations tell them something actionable, instead of "you're all stupid, ergo, boot on a human face forever" In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:04:08 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah yes, I've got some ideas too. Happy to discuss tech implementations. But we need to deal with political-economic hacking too In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:05:52 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah heaps of groups have/ are trying to do a free code mobile (Replicant, FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Phone, BlackPhone, Ind.ie), why not joy? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:07:05 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah the reasons are not lack of demand (I want one, clearly so do you), we need to understand what they are. Hardware maker politics? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:09:06 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah sure, but why won't hardware makers pre-install free code, or charge more for companie that do? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:12:02 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah any idea why Ind.ie retreated on the mobile device vision? They seem to really understand the #UX issues that need to be addressed In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:16:25 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah right, so MS has the power to say "if you want to sell pre-installed Windows, you must sell no other OS". In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:18:45 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah Google can't do that with Android, because it's free code, but they can with all the Google apps that make Android a complete tool In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:19:49 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah so if all the supply chains for mobile devices are slave to either Apple or Google licensing (or MS), #OpenHardware is key In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:21:02 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah it's definitely too large a project for a small startup. It needs a federation of projects covering all the necessary elements In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:22:06 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah it needs something akin to a mobile version of the #GNUProject (or a mobile branch of GNU?) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:27:41 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah another good summary of the #UX issues is found on livable.media but as they caution, part of the change required is ... In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:28:36 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah "... designers need to learn a vision of society, and of individuals, where these ideas make sense." In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:49:52 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah can you expand on that? Maybe with some practical examples (in tech or ideally some other design domain) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:13:35 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah I agree that storytelling about *positive* futures is key. I like the #solarpunk concept a lot. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:16:25 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah tech often relies on successful visual metaphors (eg the "desktop") for mainstream adoption. What metaphors could work here? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:25:38 UTC Danyl Strype @jeremiah useful offline, preach it brother. You checked out #Hubzilla and #Scuttlebutt? The #OSM apps that download maps to device? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 02:33:08 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell I'm from Aotearoa (NZ), currently in the process of moving cities, so not up to much ATM In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 02:36:05 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell but I've been involved in various ways in web projects like CoActivate.org, Permaculture.org.nz, MetaMaps.cc, and others In conversation permalink -
hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 11:12:24 UTC hamish campbell @strypey me, am in a lifeboat sailing away (this is not a metaphor) https://boatingacrosseurope.blogspot.com/ and https://www.instagram.com/boating.across.europe/
Come back 4-5 months a year to do social change projects. And the rest of the time stay involved vier wifi while anchored outside villages ;)
Hooked up to solar and wind power.
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:22:49 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell I'm intrigued, let's talk more. More info about my background:
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/strypeÂIn conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:25:38 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell oops! Sorry, that link was meant to be:
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:26:30 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell wow, jealous! I'm really keen to learn to sail. Great that you can keep connected using renewables In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 15:01:25 UTC Danyl Strype @hamishcampbell you were with #Undercurrents! Did you have much to do with the #Indymedia network? I believe Undercurrents were co-founders? In conversation permalink