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1. clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 01:48:04 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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   > 15-minute-city conspiracy theorist does extra lap of block after accidentally arriving at work in under 15 minutes

   > “I’m not going to just blindly accept this level of convenience”

   
   www.theshovel.com.au/2023/02/2…

   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 02:18:18 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @clacke Is it that such conspiracy theorists believe people won't be allowed / able to travel more than 15 minutes' walk from their homes? Or that they know the polluting factories will still pollute when the employees live within the aerial and groundwater waste plumes?
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 02:30:27 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke I know the link is laughing at the #conspiracy_theorists; I just wanted to ask the question of somebody and this was a convenient time and place.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 02:41:43 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} The conspiracy theory is "cars are freedom and they're coming for your cars, they want to keep you in your little 15-minute bubble so that you will produce and never want to leave".

     People vary on whether it will be a quarantine zone with passports or if it will just be so convenient that you'll be docile.

     "Imagine the irony of being trapped in the 15-minute city to save the world and then never getting to see the world."

     LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} likes this.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 02:44:50 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} So mainly the first, but also "they're taking your car while China is building coal plants", ignoring the fact that China has lower CO₂ per capita than the US while being the world's factory, and that China makes far more investments to keep the CO₂ down than the US does.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:14:38 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @tom As you might imagine, it explains it about as much as Second Amendment types explain why places with functioning gun laws aren't more fascist than the US and why people in those countries don't break into each other's houses all the time.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:24:14 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Beyond Your Comprehension @tom The threads I see are by people so deep into the conspiracy theory complex that when someone says "better public transport" they jump straight to "we'll never see our families again".
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:25:33 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Cream Queen :taxevasionpride: :asbestosprideangled: :shranny: so they already got to you ... you probably even believe you're happy there even though you're controlled by agenda 21 black helicopters
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:33:08 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Beyond Your Comprehension @spare quinn @tom It takes decades to improve, but it has been done in multiple cities.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:46:50 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Beyond Your Comprehension @spare quinn @tom Here's some nuanced criticism through the WEF itself against the most simplistic notions of a 15-minute city.

     www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11…

   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:50:57 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @spare quinn @Beyond Your Comprehension @tom "it turns your city design in to clusters by necessity"

     Yes. Basic amenities are available in clusters, like the towns around MTR stations in Hong Kong.

     But that means it's easier to get out for some special event or to meet friends in another part of the city, because the road or transport is not congested with people who just want apples and eggs.

   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 04:54:38 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Beyond Your Comprehension @spare quinn @tom Admittedly, none of those places probably had such an extreme car-dependent structure as US suburbia. It is a bigger challenge there. More work to do and lots of people culturally ingrained to like it the way it is.
   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 05:17:56 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @spare quinn @Beyond Your Comprehension @tom 'you can't really "expand" and maintain a 15 minute distance limit to services'

     In a greenfield district you can develop it the right way as you build it up. In existing districts you have a paretooptimal situation and lots of people owning property and so on. Much harder.

     In the new district you just decide to have a mixed use neighborhood with mixed use buildings and that's it, get the right mix and it's self-contained for everyday needs.

     In a cookie-cutter suburb, whose houses will you tear down to make way for bakeries, a cinema, restaurants, home appliance stores, grocery stores, clothes stores, a hotel, some offices and low-cost housing?

     If it's a high-range suburb they don't even want functioning public transport, as it might bring in the riff-raff that they invested a lot of money to isolate themselves from.

   • clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Mar-2023 05:48:01 UTC clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @spare quinn @Beyond Your Comprehension @tom Then it's not "Suburbia". But yes, not all of the US is equally bad.