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Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 02:00:06 UTC Alexandre Oliva > Threatening the whole network isn't very peaceful approach to solve the problem
I agree. I only disagree as to who's threatening the network with their behavior.
playing to nazi's hands and blocking instances over their manipulation is a lot more dangerous to the network than letting people out there know that we fight nazis. while the latter could slow down its growth, the former is an existential threat to the network.-
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 15:09:05 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 So I decided to post the article I wrote (linked below) on twitter and am going to dump some money into promoting it there. Gotta get some attention to this. Go boost over on twitter if you'd like.
Eugen Rochko, CEO of Mastodon, Caves to Nazi's Agenda
https://jeffreyfreeman.me/eugen-rochko-ceo-of-mastodon-found-to-support-nazis-agenda/
#fediblock #mastoadmin #mastodon @Gargron
Alexandre Oliva repeated this. -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 18:10:21 UTC Alexandre Oliva :-(
Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 20:21:06 UTC Alexandre Oliva well, there is that, but really, if there might exist facts that would make one think an action one is considering taking that would cause irreparable harm if it turned out to be wrong, maybe you shouldn't take that action before checking the facts very very thoroughly. I find people often react to accusations by assuming the accused is deserving of punishment, as if being accused was proof of wrongdoing. malicious players have found this to be easily exploitable. -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 20:27:07 UTC Alexandre Oliva Alexey, I find the argument you presented analogous to shooting the messenger. telling a victim to shut up because their speaking up brings harm onto the aggressor is unjust. if denouncing an injustice is labeled as terrorism, but the injustice itself isn't called out, something's fishy. if some action would be perceived negatively, IMHO the best course of action is not to suppress the speech that calls it out so that the presumed negative action can remain unchallenged and unknown, but to get the negative action to stop -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 20:36:16 UTC Alexandre Oliva > Many people are driven by hate
yes, and I hate that ;-D -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 22:17:39 UTC Alexandre Oliva uhh, I wonder why. I can't think of anything that would. I wonder if my words have been misunderstood... -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 22:26:40 UTC Alexandre Oliva if you'd like to talk some more about whether publishing truthful information is ill-advised, I don't mind waiting till you're done with the strawman.
nazis exist, are among us, in both society at large and in the fediverse, and they are trying to manipulate us into doing their bidding. I take that's undisputed. now, I can see why some short-term thinking might conclude it's advantageous to pretend this is not the case. I don't think it's good in the mid- or long terms. not only because it's dishonest, and if people are promised something we're unable to deliver, they will be further harmed when it hits them by surprise, but also because, when we give in to their manipulation and allow them to get us to do the injustice they demand, we become their instruments of injustice, i.e., we turn into that which we're trying to keep out. -
Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-2022 02:54:15 UTC Alexandre Oliva I'm trying to stick to the topic of the thread.
I'm really not interested in the hyperbolic comparison between engaging in acts of terrorism and denouncing nazi manipulation attacks. they're not the same. not even close. -
LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 16:06:25 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} The thing is, yes, Freemo and QOTO got screwed. But Eugen is never going to correct it*, so he should move on. Since he has some budget for advertising on Twitter, he should promote other "join an instance" sites instead of joinmastodon. Surely, his is not the first Mastodon instance to be unfairly removed from that directory.
* He's been catering to these people since at least 2017, despite their frequent virulent attacks against him for not going far enough. He's not going to reverse course now.
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