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@mangeurdenuage It really makes me think hearing that, just how excessive our lifestyles tend to be now. Given that we've made things cheaper and more consumable so things don't last long. We have more, but we don't really.
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I don't see everyone giving up animal products, but I can see the attitudes towards them change as they have in the past.
I think most people would agree they'd like better treatment for the animals they do consume, although that would mean getting rid of cheap meat which impacts fast food. Stricter conditions for mass farming that benefit farmers that don't do this.
Perhaps even a move towards less meat and dairy, after all... this was a more recent push by those industries to influence our diets to benefit them instead of us. I doubt the wars helped, because people had to live through rationing. Get out of that, and of course you want to eat more freely on the stuff that was rationed.
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@nerthos What about adding dairy into the figures? I can't escape that we're eating more meat and dairy than we used to, and it's not exactly helping our health. Although it does look like it is worse in the US now you mention it. It's just weird to me that we think we need meat/dairy in each of our meals every day, or that meat is the main part of the dish.
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@mangeurdenuage
>That's a bad thing ?
It would be for the poor families looking for somewhere cheap to eat out with their kids. Still, maybe cafes will make more of a comeback. They look better than fast food places.
>It's only about money and nothing else.
Pretty much. It's about their livelihood.
>My grandparents told me that in the 60s/70s they usually had meat once a week. On Friday it was fish. Otherwise it was chicken or pork.
What do you mean by meat once a week here? Is chicken or pork counted? Still, it does sound better than needing dairy/meat for every meal.
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@nerthos I suppose the argument made is that we could be using the land farmed for feeding animals to feed humans instead. But I know it doesn't work everywhere. My main concern with farming is mass-farming and the method of slaughter. I don't think the animals should be mistreated but I don't know how to ensure this doesn't happen. Tackling mass-farming though, and it will hit the poor the most that buy cheap meat or go to fast food places.
Yeah... I just can't help but feel like we're overdoing it here with the mentality behind animal products. I grew up on this idea that I needed meat as the main part of the meal rather than as a side. At dinner, the plate was built around the meat. If there isn't meat, then dairy is more likely an option to replace it. I like the idea of making vegetables the main focus of the meal. A lot of people miss out on the vegetables and fruit here which I suppose isn't helping the diet.
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@mangeurdenuage Okay. I'm curious to hear the answer.
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@mangeurdenuage
>Tbh eating poison and saying that it's because they are poor isn't a good argument for me.
Making sandwiches themselves would cost the same.
Tbh, sandwiches would be cheaper... if you have the time and somewhere to eat them. I might just make them more often when heading out with my kids. Even better if I learn how to make bread myself.
>It would yes.
I think diners died because people preferred fast food too?
>Depends on who's making food
I meant the buildings. I'd rather have local and traditional diners or cafes around than the abomination that is the fast food chains.
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@nerthos What do you think about the mass-farms which have started to take over? What you said sounds like it would work better for small farms but when you have thousands of animals in a barn space? I would think you'd need to bring a lot more into the farm and there would be more waste to get rid of.
That's true, I do tend to find vegetables to be time-consuming to cut and cook with which is unfortunate. I hope to be in a position in the future where it is much easier to do these things. I could definitely eat more fruits as well... but I tend to have a taste for them more after exercise as you say. Strange that. My dinner palate varies right now, although I'd probably replace the meat you mentioned with beans or lentils.
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@cereal @nerthos I think it is a mentality shift. Pretty sure I was fed on a lot of shit-quality stuff, especially when going out. But the attitude you mentioned sounds better even if it isn't for me now. I'd much rather have eaten the meat that was better quality than fast food meat.
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>We have more, but we don't really.
Our technological advancement is always ahead of our cultural advancement.
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@mangeurdenuage E621 = monosodium glutamate (MSG). I consider MSG to be Very Bad.