Boris - 157
Gove - 61
Hunt - 59
Sajid - 34 (eliminated)
Spoiled - 2
Sajid is out. Gove overtakes Hunt for first time.
Boris - 157
Gove - 61
Hunt - 59
Sajid - 34 (eliminated)
Spoiled - 2
Sajid is out. Gove overtakes Hunt for first time.
@andyc LOL and Hunt thought he'd got it in the bag.
@dick_turpin @andyc It is so remarkable that so despised are Gove and Hunt that BoJo is preferable in comparison.
Jokes on them; they're all wankers.
@sullybiker @dick_turpin Well I live in UK so will be governed by one of these idiots so I rather think the 'joke' is on me (not them as the individual will have achieved a lifetime ambition).
I wouldn't class 314 Tory MP's and then Tory members as representing me but hey, those are the current rules.
@andyc @dick_turpin Joking aside. I'm out of it (one might say out of the frying pan...) but family are not. I don't really care who it as long as they have *some* sort of actionable plan come October.
@andyc @sullybiker I want Maggie back. 😢
@sullybiker @andyc I suspect 'The Plan' is to not have a deal, to take it to the wire so that the EU tells us to "Get lost" that way the UK can blame Europe for the next 20 years for kicking us out.
It's simple political logic tbh.
@dick_turpin @sullybiker It's hard to tell but bizarrely Boris seems to be softening his position (refused to rule out extension after October).
I don't think the perception would be the 'EU kicked us out' because their position has been unchanged, essentially, since May's Chequers agreement.
@andyc @sullybiker I just can't believe that they seriously think the EU is going to give us more concessions. I'm fully aware that, for the moment, the EU does not want us to leave but there is going to come a point when it will have to be the EU putting their foot down and saying "Stay or Go one or the other but where not extending anymore!" I say it will have to be the EU because the UK will just continue to ask for delay after delay after delay because nobody can agree.
@dick_turpin @sullybiker Indeed. This seems more of a poisoned chalice that when May succeeded Cameron. We know a lot more now...
@andyc @sullybiker It's clearly a case of throwing the last few chips on the table.
For the Tory party this isn't about Brexit per say this is about submitting to the idea of "Cult of Personality" in that hopefully Boris's, shall we say, larger than life persona will carry the party through the next General Election.
@dick_turpin @andyc quite.
There's no majority for the current deal.
There's no majority for no deal.
There's no majority for permanent revocation.
EU say they won't reopen current deal. And even if they did, there's no majority for any of the alternatives suggested.
There's no majority for Ref 2.0
So it's hard to see how anything can be done without an election.
But there's no majority for calling one either because of the nige/jezza squeeze they'd get on a pre-brexit election.
And, like wor Pete says, they feel BoJo is the only one that can win if there is an election.
@rpcutts @andyc Exactly. The only (Cynical) solution I can see is us passing the deadline without a deal and then unfairly blaming the EU for our own childish actions. "Well it's not our fault, Johnny foreigner wouldn't give us another deal, blame them not us."
@dick_turpin @andyc but it's almost certain that there would be a parliamentary majority for revoking article 50 the day before any deadline would expire.
@dick_turpin @andyc so whilst no deal is the legal default, it's complicated by that.
@rpcutts @andyc Unless Boris can bring the membership back into line, then all he needs is a few reneged MP's and he'll control the house.
@dick_turpin @rpcutts @andyc Gove will have many backs to stab, Hunt’s name will get mangled on the news repeatedly, and Boris is crazy. No deal is the default position in your country’s laws and the likely final outcome.
It won’t be a disaster considering how poorly some EU periphery economies are performing.
@dick_turpin @andyc I am curious of there will be an EU to leave in a few years. It shows the odd glimpse of vulnerability in the face of populism, and an ability to shoot itself in the foot (see the copyright directive).
@sullybiker @andyc If I read that right? I also think the EU is concerned over this, not for the fact the UK is leaving but more for the fact that it may encourage other disgruntled members to leave.
@alpacaherder @rpcutts @andyc Ssh, you'll have the remainers baying for your blood. The single market, apparently, is the ONLY trading market on the planet. Without it the UK will return to the dark ages apparently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)
@dick_turpin @andyc Yes. I don't think it would develop in the near future, and I doubt France and Germany (the most economically and politically represented) would suffer from this, but there's already hints of it in Hungary and Italy.
@dick_turpin @sullybiker ...although those whispers from other countries threatening to follow suit and leave EU seem to have reduced somewhat.
@andyc @sullybiker We need another Refugee crisis. A few more boat people and the EU will be on the ropes again.
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