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MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:16:28 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠ Why would anyone want brands, companies and other crap in their _social_ feeds? Isn't the whole point of why people enjoy the !fediverse that it's _not_ like the asocial advertisement platforms?
Let's not explicitly invite capitalism. Let them build their own damn tools.- @mcscx2@quitter.no, clacke@libranet.de is my main and Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ like this.
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dansup (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:19:30 UTC dansup @mmn The fediverse is meant for everyone, not just for people or entities you like. BTW, Diogo only has 2 weeks to finish the GS AP plugin so you might want to start helping him since you've done almost nothing as a "mentor".
cc @up201705417
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MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:31:18 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠ Yes, anyone can do what they please on their side of the !fediverse - I just think that power users and companies simply are incompatible with the federated structure and that tools for measuring e-penises is asocial and thus in vain.
I also appreciate your work with Diogo but you should be well aware of my situation and our communication by now. I would prefer a somewhat more pleasant attitude than your above post. Thank you. -
dansup (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:38:08 UTC dansup @mmn I would prefer if you maintain GNU/Social and actually respond to issues/merge requests instead of reacting to my statuses.
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Rysiekúr Memesson (rysiek@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 10:05:50 UTC Rysiekúr Memesson @mmn @dansup I mostly agree with your sentiment, but let me offer one possible explanation.
When contacting a company via any private channel (e-mail, phone, whatever), they can just ignore you or do whatever they please, and rarely they get burnt.
Companies/brands use social media to promote themselves. The more followers they have, the better the promotion. But also, the bigger the burn if somebody calls them out publicly on their bullshit.
So in a way they are making themselves vulnerable.
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Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ (bob@soc.freedombone.net)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 10:20:57 UTC Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅ @rysiek @dansup @mmn
I'm pretty sure I don't want Twitter-style brand callouts in the fediverse. If I saw it I'd block it. Brands can either stay on Twitter or have their own instance which can be easily blocked.
If brands do show up one nice thing is that they have no central authority to protect them from criticism or spoofs, and there aren't necessarily "real names" they can try to retaliate against. The lack of ability to buy their way into controlling the platform will deter them to some extent. -
Tom K (tk@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 10:36:19 UTC Tom K @rysiek @mmn @dansup My experience on Facebook forces me to the conclusion that many people actually want to interact with brands on social media. And I can understand why they might feel empowered interacting with them that way. I don't think anyone should be forced into receiving advertising but if widespread fediverse adoption is a goal (is it? Open question!) then big biz will be involved somewhere.
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Rysiekúr Memesson (rysiek@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:28:11 UTC Rysiekúr Memesson @tk @mmn @dansup I also think to some extent this can regulate itself. There are ample blocking tools on the Fediverse. Brands that misbehave will simply not get popular here.
And we already do have brands here! FSF, Nextcloud, are two good examples after all.
clacke@libranet.de is my main likes this. -
MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:53:04 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠ @kmj Haha, wait what? When, where and how am I trying to censor the !fediverse? Please elaborate! -
MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 13:17:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠ Yeah my point is that promoting statistics and analytics is a bad thing. Delayed posts etc. are other things that have veen discussed in the past. These "features" are not something that maintains a healthy social communication base.
Of course anyone can implement this. I just don't think it benefits or otherwise contributes to humane social spaces.
Bots are also an interesting topic of discussion that I think anyone developing for the !fediverse should put some thought and critical thinking into.