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@zorrito Gajim has things that an #IM app does: status, going offline, etc. Conversations OTOH assumes everyone is always online
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One reason why I prefer #OTR over #OMEMO: doesn't assume/promote a #Smartphone mindset. #XMPP
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In what way? Could you elaborate?
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@arunisaac 140-char is too short to dissertate my answer properly. But it has to do with assuming that everyone is always online
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@zorrito exactly: it enforces a Smartphone mindset. They want you to be "always connected." #Matrix does that as well to #IRC.
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Any hints on how to make !Conversations start automatically when my phone powers on? When that works, I'll replace #Xabber
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@bobjonkman that's exactly the sort of behavior I don't like. But I thought conversations already did that by default like whatsapp
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I don't understand how you say OMEMO assumes everyone is always online. From what I understand, with OMEMO, even messages that were sent when you were offline, are successfully received and decrypted. Only with OTR, I used to have endless problems with this.
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@arunisaac perhaps I should've specified Conversations instead. It behaves like Whatsapp, like everyone is always online
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@bobjonkman For me Conversations starts automatically. Maybe you could force running by: Settings > Expert > Run service in foreground (second last point).
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@vinzv I was looking for that setting, but it doesn't appear on my !Conversations client http://sn.jonkman.ca/attachment/48645
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@bobjonkman "Keep service in foreground" was what I meant. Pardon my bad translation of the German interface. ;)
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@vinzv @bobjonkman "Service first"?
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@kzimmermann OTR requires you to be online while communicating. OMEMO doesn't. If the "smartphone mindset" is to be "always online", then OTR is the forerunner .)
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@vinzv Even in English "Keep service in foreground" doesn't mean "Launch app on startup". No wonder we're confused.
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@grmpyoldman @bobjonkman Heck, I know my last reply could be misunderstood. :D
With "translation" i meant my first reply, not the translation of Conversations itself.
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@bobjonkman Yes, "launch app on startup" is unnecessary as Conversations does that either way.
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@vinzv ...and I see now that what I understood isn't what you wrote. My fault. The difference between "Keep service in foreground" and "Run service in foreground" is trivial, and I'll bet either is a good translation of the German interface.
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@vinzv @bobjonkman sry… could'nt resist – maybe it's easier if we rewrite it? :D
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@mmn being able to become incommunicable should be part of the user choice. Lots of messengers (Signal, whatsapp) disregard this.
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@mmn though you do have a good point. And OMEMO off the smartphone realm (like in Gajim) works great indeed.
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Looks like it starts automatically for me on LineageOS. There is an option within settings/expert to keep Conversations running, but I don't know if that's related.
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I got !Conversations to start at boot by moving it from SDcard storage to phone storage. @bob
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@bob @bobjonkman With android 5+ any background apps that are not installed in /system/app or /system/priv need to have a notification to keep it's background service active, but apps can of course request this to do this without the notification like the facebook app does.
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I'm running #ParanoidAndroid v1.5 based on #Cyanogenmod v9.0 (ICS) on an LG #P999, abandoned by LG back in 2011. Not the best performance and lousy battery life, but I continue to twist it to make it work, the better to keep it out of landfill. @stitchxd @bob
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@bobjonkman @bob Wow - that's 6 years longer than my average phone lifespan.
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@stitchxd @bobjonkman I was late to the personal tracking device party (a reluctant convert), so the smartphone I have now is only my second. The first I only had briefly before it self-destructed. I took it to one of the repair shops in Manchester and they declared it dead at the scene. Both phones were bought second hand. My current one is a few years old and I expect to keep it until it will either no longer run modern software or it breaks, whichever comes sooner. I'm hoping that perhaps some time in the next few years a real "free software phone" will emerge.