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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 00:25:27 UTC Danyl Strype @lanodantmp deleted account vs. suspended and disused account. Outcome is the same. You're splitting hairs.
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 18:50:04 UTC Danyl Strype Some people still haven't realised that the only way, the *only* way to beat FarceBook is to delete your account
http://qttr.at/1thpLinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}, @mcscx@quitter.se and Craig Maloney and 2 others like this.LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} and @mcscx@quitter.se repeated this. -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:20:52 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria the best way to win the game is never to play, eh? Very zen. Alan Watts would be proud :)
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:35:51 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria the day you sign up they have *some* of your data. Every time you log back in they have *more* of your data. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:36:23 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria The kicker is, you're doing unpaid data entry work for them every time you sit there entering your personal data into their system In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:40:46 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria well, #TheStacks are making millions of dollars running their platforms, and you and I are not the customer, so... In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:50:39 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria dairy cows don't become the customers of dairy farms. That's not how the model works. We need to replace the farms with savannahs In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 21:51:38 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria have you tried out #Diaspora or #Hubzilla as a potential #FarceBook replacement? In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:03:35 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria this is how they get you. All your friends and family are in prison, so it's anti-social not put yourself in prison too ;) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:04:31 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria the trick is to set up your own Diaspora pod or Hubzilla site, and invite all your friends and family to sign up and use it In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:05:38 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria then they're being anti-social if they don't. You can ask them why they didn't post the baby photos on the site the family owns In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:06:22 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria shows the power of the network effect though doesn't it. Which is why it's important to be the change In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:12:20 UTC Danyl Strype @yellowfrog it's good to have a varied comms toolkit. Every problem is not a nail, so a hammer is not always the right tool. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:13:55 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria don't be put off by annoyance! It's a sign that deep down they know you're right, and they're thinking about transition pain ;) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:15:09 UTC Danyl Strype @yellowfrog I finally tried Hubzilla & Friendica in the last few months. They are a totally different combo of tools to GNUSocial & Mastodon In conversation permalink Bob Mottram likes this. -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:21:05 UTC Danyl Strype @yellowfrog @euphoria #Mastodon, like #GNUSocial, just does one main thing; short public posts ('toots') in a timeline. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:21:40 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog Friendica and Hubzilla are a completely different tool, more like the FB toolset, w/ private messaging, calendars etc In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:23:18 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog #Mastodon and #Diaspora can't directly federate, although both can federate with #Friendica (it's complicated) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:24:09 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog here's a brief history that sketches our the relationships between all the federated apps
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Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:28:29 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog it's for different use cases. The #Fediverse (#GNUSocial, #Mastodon etc) is like a pub where you chat with strangers In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:29:24 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog The #Federation (#Diaspora, #Friendica, #Hubzilla) is for organising life with people you know, more like FB In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:30:11 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog I'm planning to do what I was proposing to you, set up a social server for my family and close friends. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:31:19 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog Just got to pick which #Federation app to use. A bit more testing needed, but I'm leaning towards Friendica/ Hubz ;) In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2017 22:32:15 UTC Danyl Strype @euphoria @yellowfrog I suspect that's why the #Fediverse is taking off first. Easier to get critical mass. I'm confident the rest will come In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2017 08:19:59 UTC Danyl Strype @yellowfrog @euphoria #ProTip: be sure to 'clone' your #Hubzilla channels onto a couple of other servers before you invest much time in them In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2017 03:58:22 UTC Danyl Strype @melezh I would say they serve slightly different use cases, D* being more a FB replacement, and Hubzilla more a Google replacement In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2017 23:14:06 UTC Danyl Strype @lanodantmp sorry? Are you saying it's not possible to delete your account? That's true but it's possible to suspend and not use it. I have In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2017 23:18:41 UTC Danyl Strype @lanodantmp do you want some hair to split? I can post you some ;P In conversation permalink -
Solderpunk (solderpunk@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 00:39:49 UTC Solderpunk Assuming "deleted account" means "all data associated with your count securely deleted from all Facebook machines", then there is a real difference in outcome, in that the data associated with a suspended and disused account is subject to retroactive analysis by all future developments in FB's marketing tech, whereas a deleted account is not.
I'm not sure such a "deleted account" is possible with FB, anyway. They might claim it can be done, but it's impossible to verify, and they have a commercial incentive *not* to do it, so...In conversation permalink -
LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 01:01:18 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} @solderpunk True, but I believe that @strypey is saying that one can at least stop giving them additional data and reduce their active user numbers. We know that FB's like button even tracks non-users, but either we start somewhere or we give up and bow down to King Zuck.
If enough people suspend/delete their accounts and stop using the site in any way, Facebook will decline in power the way MySpace and Friendster before it did.In conversation permalink -
VegOs ✅ ♋ 🌍 📷 (vegos@loadaverage.org)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 03:28:34 UTC VegOs ✅ ♋ 🌍 📷 Use also Privacy Badger from EFF! In conversation permalink LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} repeated this. -
Solderpunk (solderpunk@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:03:56 UTC Solderpunk Sure, @strypey is totally right that deactivating and not using your account limits the inflow of new data, which is good. You can do other things, too (e.g. I use /etc/hosts to resolve ads.ak.facebook.com and creative.ak.facebook.com to 127.0.0.1 so they result in 404s). I don't discourage any of this.
I think FB declining the way MySpace and Friendster did is inevitable. One day Gmail will decline the way Hotmail did, and GitHub will decline the way Sourceforge did, etc, etc. It's the way of the internet. But I'm actually kind of scared of it happening with FB, because when it happens, they won't go "Oh well, fun's over, better securely delete all this user data". Instead they'll just sell that data to the highest bidder, which could be an even more ethically dubious agency.In conversation permalink -
Solderpunk (solderpunk@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:08:13 UTC Solderpunk @strypey It really terrifies me that the FB database will in all likelihood never be destroyed, it will just pass from owner to owner, and for less and less money as it gets older and more out of date once people leave FB and new data stops flowing in. The people who own it will become less and less rich and less and less technically competent as time passes, so it will become increasingly less well protected and more and more vulnerable to being stolen or leaked. It seems entirely possible to me that in 10 or 20 or 30 years you'll be able to download absolutely everything that ever happened on FB, public or private, from whatever has replaced BitTorrent by then (IPFS?). In conversation permalink -
Solderpunk (solderpunk@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:15:31 UTC Solderpunk @lnxw48a1 @strype Man, I *wish* the web was archaic. You could trust the archaic web. Now it's all JavaScript this and HTML5 that, it's just one step away from downloading and executing random binaries. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:15:53 UTC Danyl Strype @lnxw48a1 @solderpunk I just had a coffee with a friend who told me that "the web is archaic" and we can trust FB coz "end-to-end crypto" In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:18:04 UTC Danyl Strype @lnxw48a1 @solderpunk this is the education gap we are up against. A generation of users who don't fully understand that FB is a *website*! In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:19:45 UTC Danyl Strype @solderpunk @lnxw48a1 FB security is likely no better than any other corporation. In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:20:54 UTC Danyl Strype @lnxw48a1 @solderpunk The data FB useds enter there is most likely already freely pnwed by anyone with enough skills, money, or power In conversation permalink -
Solderpunk (solderpunk@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:21:35 UTC Solderpunk @lnxw48a1 @strypey I feel like their security today probably is better than average, but I admit I have no really solid basis for that. Regardless of whether it is or not, I *do* strongly believe that the level of security will inevitably decline over time. How good it is now just shifts the probable date of the Great Disclosure back or forward by some years. What's that line from Fight Club? "On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:22:55 UTC Danyl Strype @lnxw48a1 @solderpunk the best time to stop using FB is in 2004. The second best time is now... In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 04:23:35 UTC Danyl Strype @solderpunk @lnxw48a1 I assume that by "archaic" he meant "obsolete". In conversation permalink -
Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 06:23:30 UTC Danyl Strype @solderpunk Yup, using FarceBook is like getting beads and blankets in exchange for giving up your data sovereignty, potentially forever. In conversation permalink -
Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Monday, 15-May-2017 07:14:49 UTC Bob Mottram @strypey @lnxw48a1 @solderpunk that's end-to-middle-to-end if it doesn't warn the user when the keys change. In conversation permalink
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